There has been numerous blogs, articles and discussion on the forum over ‘who is the best’. In recent weeks, I found my own answer to the question. A practical perspective for practical life.
While I have been a Starhub broadband customer for more than 8 years, I didn’t had the urge to change provider until recently. I signed up for SingTel broadband while keeping the Starhub’s one. Now I have both Internet service in my home.
Cable, DSL Pros and Cons
I always liked Internet connection via cable because it’s easy and transparent. Bring any cable modem around Singapore and you could access the internet as long you have a cable point. No user name and password to remember, no disconnections, no channels or ISP settings to remembers. It is easy and portable. SingTel’s is based on DSL (Digital Symmetric Line) technology which tie the service to a fixed telephone line. It is not portable, cost money when you move to other address, disruption for few days during service move period, and with user name/password to remember. This basically summarized the fundamental benefit of Cable vs DSL technology.
To DSL defense, it is easier to implement for telco companies by using existing phone network and some upgrades on the Central Office/Exchange (CO). Establishing cable service would need laying a cable around the city. In some countries/city where city planning is complex or over-populated, cable coverage is limited and not available to part of the population. A good example would be Jakarta. Telkom has been able to provide its Speedy ADSL service through out the country in short-term, while KabelVision has limited coverage and slow to expand. For many part of the population, DSL seems to be the obvious choice.
Singapore is unique as it has a good coverage for both cable and DSL-based Internet service. Still some landed properties (read: normal houses) needs thousands of dollars to have their cable connection activated. In that case, unless Cable TV service is important, DSL is again a choice.
Starhub’s MaxOnline
Starhub has been the frontrunner when it comes to raw speed. It offered network connection measured in Mbit/s when SingTel still in Kbit/s. (1 Mbit/s = 1000 Kbits/s) many years back. The charges for its services was quite affordable and it was a logical choice for existing CableTV customer. One bill and account for both services. Customer was not required to have a fixed line as a pre-requisite.
In 8 years being MaxOnline customer, I admire Starhub at times as they are able to deliver a really fast download speed up to 900 KB/s. (Note KB=KiloBytes, Kb=Kilobits. 1 KB = 8 Kb). In this case, it delivers close to 7.2 Mbit/s of speed. Services seems fast, and it keeps upgrading the raw speed. A lower tier plan has the maximum speed of 2 Mbit/s 6 years ago and now it is 8 Mbit/s.
The main problems with Starhub’s Maxonline are:
- It is a shared bandwidth from your home to Starhub’s backbone. This means if within an area there are more subscriber and heavy users, you’d be likely competing with other users in the area before it gets into the backbone.
- Fast download speed is largely due to content that has been cached in the proxy servers. Unique content remains slow and nowhere near the maximum speed in most of the cases. Downloading commons files using browser e.g. Windows Service Pack is very fast, while downloading Ahead Nero or Linux distribution that less commonly downloaded will take significantly slower.
- With regard to point 2 above, it is clear that selecting a higher plan e.g. 12 Mbps or 100 Mbps would not provide significant improvement over network performance for those who accesses Internet content most of the time compared to local content. Higher plans fulfill certain niche user requirements (e.g. Local gamers, access to local universities, etc), but not to average joe like myself.
Starhub has been promoting its ‘Fat green pipe’, which makes logical sense. My real life experience for the past years still hold that Starhub is slow for unique content and fast for local/cached content. Recently, I downgraded my plan from MaxOnline Premium (12 Mbit/s) to MaxOnline Express (8Mbit/s). I saved around S$ 20/month and has not experienced any slowness from my previous faster plan.
Starhub’s illustration.
Starhub may have the widest shared bandwidth, but it can be really narrow if there are plenty of users contenting on the pipe. Let’s imaging a fixed shared bandwidth of 100 Mbps shared between 10 and 1000 users, this mean the effective average bandwidth will be 10 Mbps/user and 0.1 Mbps/user. So this is the fine print that consumer should have in mind.
In Singtel case, each customer has a dedicated connection to Exchanges or Central Office (CO). This means a dedicated and deterministic bandwidth allocation for each user. If the technology allows a bandwidth of 100 Mbps for a user, it’ll be the same for all users. From home to the central office, there is no contention for bandwidth yet.
Up to this point, it leads to the same path which is the company’s backbone. It depends on the capacity of the overall bandwidth to the Internet cloud. In short, Starhub customers have to compete in each area for bandwidth before going out the internet, while SingTel customer skips the first competition in going to the Internet.
SingNet
My two weeks experience with SingNet so far has been very positive. It is fast and problem-free so far. I have not experience any issues as I had in the past when I was in Australia. Username and password need only to be entered once at the router and I do get a similar speed on all day long. This is different from MaxOnline where I can have varied network performance during the day.
The upload speed offered by SingTel is also significantly higher than Maxonline’s. A 10 Mbps plan (S$ 88/month) offered 1 Mbps upload speed while MaxOnline’s 12 Mbps plan (S$ 81.32/month) offers 0.384 Mbps). That’s a 3 times faster upload speed. Upload speed matters, as uploading attachment to web-based email or uploading photos to Flickr can take a very long time with Maxonline.
SingNet illustrations on consistency can be read here.
Youtube
I haven’t been a fond of youtube service as I never get a smooth video clip play from MaxOnline. When a clip played, the download speed is slower than the playing speed, thus frequent pauses. SingNet on the other hand has consistently faster download speed to play, thus no delay at all when playing a clip.
Customer Care
Starhub provides one of the best customer service I ever experienced. It has one customer care for Phone, Cable, Internet and other broadband product operating 24/7 365 days a year. I can call them any time and generally satisfied with the support provided.
Update (12/05/2008): I changed my cable modem device to a newer version. It took a couple of phone calls but were executed on the same day within an hour. That was a Sunday evening.
SingTel has two separate customer service. The first is for account-related issues that are handled by Sales team (1610). It open 08.00-18.00 Monday-Friday. The second is for technical support which open 24/7 similar like Starhub. Calling an incorrect customer service will have you referred to the other side. I find myself having to wait for the next working days to inquire some account-related issues. This would not happen with Starhub’s.
Apart from the limited time on Account-related customer service, Service activation with SingTel takes 9 working days! Any changes in the service e.g. changing username will take another 3 working days. This is exactly opposite with Starhub which virtually instantneously. I had a broken Cable modem before and called in the middle of the night, I am back online after providing a spare modem’s serial number which they configured right away.
Practical advice
Without considering the premiums given to obtain the services in contractual basis (which influences potential customer greatly), I say SingTel broadband service is a choice for those who demand performance. Given that one can benefits from what it can offers and be able to accept the shortcomings.
Starhub’s Maxonline would appeal mostly to those who need a fast speed, fuss-free in accessing local or cached content and local universities. Higher raw speed enables faster access to these networks within Singapore. Most users won’t need more than MaxOnline Express if they are accessing overseas content more than the local ones.
Opinions expressed in this article are mine and does not represent any affiliations to any organizations that I may have.
Tags: broadband, maxonline, singnet, singtel, starhub, technology
Wednesday, 21 May 2008 at 14:12
I was googling this very topic and read your review, quite interesting.
I’m an expat that frequently accesses US services (Google, amazon, music services, etc.)
I have been on Starhub’s Maxonline for about a year. It’s been very slow to me. In regards to your experience with youtube, that’s a litmus test for me, too. Every video is very slow and stutters.
Are you still satisified with Singtel Broadband? Do you think that accessing streaming media like youtube is still better with Singtel? Thanks in advance…
Wednesday, 21 May 2008 at 20:09
Mark,
As the article was written very recent, I stand with my findings. YouTube videos never stutters or slower than the playing time. I never had to be annoyed with waiting video to buffers completely.
I’m so far satisfied with Singtel. I keep it on all the time, while I switch off my Starhub’s from time to time. When I uses a bandwidth intenstive application e.g. updating to Windows XP SP3 or download Linux images, I’ll use SingNet for it and Browse using Starhub.
So if youtube and a consistent quality is important for you, go with SingTel. My plan is 10Mbits, so not sure if you’ll get the same quality with lower plan. Do note that my singnet plan is dedicated for Internet and I don’t use it for Digital Voice from SingTel or TV service (Mio).
Monday, 26 May 2008 at 0:43
I know this topic is slightly off from what you’ve covered..however, am exploring the option of using Starhub’s digital voice plan instead of using the analog Singtel voice line, do you have any experiences on the service? Have heard from a friend that the digital voice clarity is not as good as the analog.
Wednesday, 28 May 2008 at 5:41
Keith,
I have been using Starhub’s Digital voice line since the first time it was launched. At most of the time (99%+), I’m satisfied with it until recently, I heard some caller having a bit difficulties in hearing my voice. This didn’t happen until a few weeks back but not that serious though.
I have both SingTel fixed line (Emergency-quality grade) and Starhub’s Digital voice (non-emergency quality grade). If you can afford both (it costs S$25/3 months for Singtel fixed line), why don’t get it both? You can’t rely on any VOIP providers for emergency situation and they have stated this clearly in Term of Use.
The service comes free if you’re maxonline customer. With voice-enabled modem, you’re set. So I’d suggest to you sign up for one and see how does it suits you. Remember that leaving the modem ON is required so that people can call you. SingTel doesn’t need any power when connected to a normal handset.
Monday, 16 June 2008 at 19:14
hi, i need help to decide between singnet & starhub
currently, i am M1 mobilephone user, i have been with M1 since 1990s, as for internet connection, i used to have PacNet but terminated this year
lately with singtel & starhub giving such comprehensive 3-in-1 packages, i really want to switch to one of them
i need wireless broadband @home to connect to my notebook PC & PDA
singnet now has 10Mbps @$83 for 30 months with Acer notebook $2286
while starhub has 8Mbps @$60 for 24 months with HP minibook $999
i don’t know which to get
for convenience, i prefer to have TV, broadband & mobile all into 1-bill
is singnet or starhub better overall?
thank you for helping
Monday, 30 June 2008 at 22:03
Starhub has pretty good deal, for S$60, you’ll get mobile broadband as well. One year contract will provide you with a Huawei modem worth close to S$400, while 2-year contract will provide you with HP MiniNote.
If performance is not an issue and you’d like one-bill convinience, you should signup for Starhub.
Please read other post on Starhub plus and negative points.
Wednesday, 13 August 2008 at 19:38
im from canada and work at Singapore. I use ip tv with slingbox on sattelite based in canada , im with STARHUB , i pay for 12 mgps and with my different test i made , i realise i have only 4 mgps. The problem is not my connection in canada because im directly plugged on COGENT (t1). So with 3 or 4 mbps its imposible to watch iptv, its always lagging so i dont know what i can do. The money is not a problem but i want to have the right service for what i pay !!! Somebody have suggestion?
Dont go on starhub….
Sunday, 14 September 2008 at 16:59
I have both Starhub and Singtel internet services. I love watching online videos and Starhub is such a pain when it comes to streaming. I was wondering whether it was not a problem with them but with my own computer etc and I found your blogpost. It cleared up my doubts that the slow streaming of Youtube and Tudou videos have nothing to do with my modem and computer and I can blame it on Starhub. Thanks! I have been wondering for quite a long time. Once my contract with Starhub ends, Singnet here I come!
Wednesday, 17 September 2008 at 15:30
Starhub is slow, I ran several speed tests, and I am on the 12mbps plan and I found practically having just 1% of the 12mbps or less during peak hours, which is frustrating because you don’t get what you paid for. And speed-speed plans Singnet is cheaper too.
Tuesday, 30 September 2008 at 2:27
hi, I am using starhub 12mbps too, and I am getting 12kbps max even at 2.26 am in the morning…. what peak time that could it be?
Thursday, 16 October 2008 at 14:16
hi,
I use YouTube frequently, I was planning for starhub but from ur comments now i will go for SingNet.
Monday, 3 November 2008 at 20:42
hi
I agreed that Singnet is faster than Starhub in term of video streaming and Starhub speed during night time is sometime quite terrible. I think too many people watching Cable TV!!
Monday, 10 November 2008 at 10:00
Hello, I am currently a Starhub user for the past 3 months. I’d been through the up and down of the bandwidth. Usually, I can get up to 600 or 800kbps in the morning before 10am then the speed start to deteriorated later into the days. I suspect that more user in vicinity started to use Internet so I think that explain.
Anyway, my main question is ‘Is Singnet used Proxy IP too?’ Because some social discussion site banned proxy-internet users such as Starhub internet subscriber. It is really frustrating.
Thursday, 20 November 2008 at 12:04
So thankful for your site. Am also subscribed to both Starhub and Singnet and want to cancel one. Have been making enquiries with the 2 providers over the past week and getting very confused in the process. Can you please tell me what’s the difference between Starhub’s 100Mbps and Singnet’s 10Mbps. Many thanks.
Monday, 22 December 2008 at 13:31
Hi,
Thanks for this very comprehensive discussion. I am with Starhub but thinking of a change. I was looking at M1 which has better prices (I think!) than Starhub. Does anyone have experience with M1 broadband?
Thanks, Wayne
Thursday, 8 January 2009 at 10:26
I read some threads made over Hardwarezone, it seems M1 fixed line is no better than existing ones. Just like Pacific Net, they are actually reselling Starhub cable services.
Singtel pretty much own the fixed line thus DSL internet connection, while Starhub owns the cable thus Cable internet. If you see any other companies offering either DSL and/or Cable, most likely they are getting a fixed bandwidth from Singtel/Starhub and resell the services.
We get what we paid for…
Thursday, 8 January 2009 at 10:29
There is a big difference between 100 and 10mbits. I have paid Starhub Internet for many months since I have SIngnet but never use it. Until earlier this week, I was so surprised that Starhub seems to be very fast. My advise is to stick with both and if needs be, downgrade one of the internet service. Starhub can go slow anytime (like the in past).
One advantage is that 100mbits Starhub service is really really fast for local / cached content. It also mention that it has a direct like to MSN and Yahoo, which means these two services will be very fast.
Thursday, 8 January 2009 at 10:30
Yes, Both uses proxies, may be it’s mandatory. SingNet proxy can be patchy at times i.e. some websites won’t work unless you specify their proxy server in the browser. It’s quite common with cable networks that you get inconsistent speed. Imagine if your neighbors start using torrents or downloading very fast local content, you’ll get slowed down significantly.
Thursday, 8 January 2009 at 10:32
Not really, big bandwidth doesn’t mean low latency. Let just say that the bigger the road is, doesn’t guarantee the speed you can travel on it. Imagine you are in a stable, nicely-made flat road, you can travel very fast, but if you’re travelling on bumpy roads, even there is no congestion, you’ll get slowed down.
Video and streaming contents need a stable and low latency, if there are disruptions/bumps, then it’ll lag.
Thursday, 8 January 2009 at 10:34
Glad you did, so far Youtube still works just fine in SingNet.
Monday, 12 January 2009 at 22:51
Thank you for sharing this review, i find it very useful as i’ve also been considering getting broadband from singtel or starhub…however, i was wondering if the comparison of the shared bandwith (consistency, streaming sites etc) for singtel/starhub broadband as mentioned above applies the same to mobile broadband? ’cause i’m considering to get mobile broadband for normal use, streaming sites/videos and downloads…and wondering singtel or starhub would be better…
Tuesday, 20 January 2009 at 15:00
Until recently, I found that Singtel is the only one can provide a smooth/non-lagging youtube transfer. To my surprise starhub (last two weeks) was able to achieve the same, but I need to see if that’s consistant.
Starhub Mobile broadband is one of the highly regarded service but not their cable internet service.
Thursday, 29 January 2009 at 17:45
I have been recently having the same problem mentioned above. Starhub or SingTel I couldnt decide. Now its been one month already so I have to apply for a broadband plan. So in this case if performance is important for us, you recommend SingTel. I was thinking of choosing 8mbps plan instead of 10, does it make any huge difference in terms of speed?? and about download issues, can we use p2p programs or file-hosting sites?
Friday, 30 January 2009 at 15:22
i see, i see…thank you very much for sharing your opinion!
Sunday, 1 February 2009 at 16:47
I’m user of starhub for many many years now. Always thought that lagging youtube is because of youtube server is busy until I have a chance to compare it with singtel broadband. When I found this site, i’m convince now starhub really sucks. Will be switching to singtel soon.
Friday, 6 March 2009 at 22:01
Starhub only suitable for ppl to use off-peak. Once pass 7pm…u can stop surfing your internet, as it is very very slow…
Friday, 20 March 2009 at 15:20
Thanks for writing this up and sharing.
I am about to terminate my StarHub Broadband on Mobile service. It is utterly unusable during peak hours. I am on the 3.2Mb/s plan, and get about 15KB/s to 30KB/s max during peak time. With frequent disconnections and timeouts to boot. No skype, YouTube, or internet banking is possible.
When I first signed up 7 months ago it was a decent 150-190KB/s. It deteriorated rapidly after 2 months.
Their customer service is astoundingly GOOD however.
I am trying to decide between cabled MaxOnline Express or some equivalent Singnet offering. At this point I am tending towards Singnet. I cant bear the idea of getting MaxOnline only to get marginally better performance during peak times.
Friday, 20 March 2009 at 15:20
Thanks for writing this up and sharing.
I am about to terminate my StarHub Broadband on Mobile service. It is utterly unusable during peak hours. I am on the 3.2Mb/s plan, and get about 15KB/s to 30KB/s max during peak time. With frequent disconnections and timeouts to boot. No skype, YouTube, or internet banking is possible. I primarily access foreign content.
When I first signed up 7 months ago it was a decent 150-190KB/s. It deteriorated rapidly after 2 months.
Their customer service is astoundingly GOOD however.
I am trying to decide between cabled MaxOnline Express or some equivalent Singnet offering. At this point I am tending towards Singnet. I cant bear the idea of getting MaxOnline only to get marginally better performance during peak times.
Tuesday, 14 April 2009 at 9:23
If you want performance just go with SingNet, but as I wrote expect a less-than-competent and helpful customer service…